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LibraryThing member rybeewoods

We tried using this book as a guide for our Home Community. It didn't work. To many lists and run on sentences. We only got halfway through but up to that point I hadn't heard anything that seemed to shocking or whatever. (I sound skeptical don't I?!)

LibraryThing member kungfuquaker

When I first read this book I found it to be so interesting I immediately read it again. An older lady at my church asked to borrow it and after she finished it she mentioned that you would have to read it again. Because of that I decided to teach a Sunday school class using it. It presented

information about Jesus and his culture in ways that I hadn't encountered before. I will probably use it in future classes as well.

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LibraryThing member debs4jc

A bit dry and not very memorable, had a good message.

LibraryThing member StephenBarkley

One of two things has happened:

1. Brian McLaren has toned down the controversial aspects of his writing.
2. I’ve grown more comfortable with the controversy.

Maybe it’s a mixture of both. I started reading McLaren’s New Kind of Christian books and was challenged, outraged, and enlightened.

Now that he’s transplanted his theology from the world of fiction into the land of teaching he’s lost a bit of his zip.

This book is full of good material about Jesus and his agenda. McLaren situates Jesus in his culture, painting him as a Jewish revolutionary. If you’re new to this way of understanding Jesus, McLaren’s book serves as a quick introduction to some of the major ideas.

If, on the other hand, you’ve read N. T. Wright, Walter Brueggemann, and Dallas Willard, you’ll find nothing new here: just a popularizing of their ideas.

[One last thought: does the socially-conscious Protestant church really need to venerate Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. the way the Roman church venerates Mary?]

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LibraryThing member landloper

Very thought provoking. This book isn't written to direct or convert, but to encourage thoughtful consideration of our concept of Jesus' message.

LibraryThing member 2wonderY

McLaren says a lot that is true, but as if no one else has ever said it. He obviously hasn't paid much attention to the teachings of the Catholic church for the last 200 years.

LibraryThing member devandecicco

McLaren prefers in many parts of his book to set up this dichotomy: "traditional" Christians (who prefer traditional doctrine and ethics) and "New" Christians (who are engaged in conversations about new ways of understanding the bible, Jesus, and are concerned with social justice).Like arguments

against any straw man, I think McLaren makes some good points and some bad ones. I've read some of his articles and blog posts, and after reading this book, I realized the struggle I have with reading McLaren: I don't know what Christians he is talking about. Certainly, each Christian has a little bit of a legalist in them, each is guilty of not welcoming with love all those who are in need of Christ. There are some who take traditional doctrine to un-Christian and unbiblical ends. Christians are always seduced by non-engagement with the culture (particularly when the culture generally doesn't invite us to engage). Yet, when I read McLaren's works, I don't get the feeling that he has much grace toward Christians (at least, Anglo-American Christians, toward whom his critique is targeted) and that he is reacting against conservative, legalistic, fundamentalist Christian tendencies rather than soberly responding to them. As a result, what comes across is a need to re-invent Christian doctrine to facilitate the kind of Christian he wants to see. That is the goal of this book.So what does the book say? Well, first of all, McLaren posits that we have been missing the real message of the Gospel for 2,000 years (and, guess what?, a guy in Baltimore just figured it out!). He states that the real message of the Gospel is that of the Kingdom. He defines the kingdom as: ...a life that is full and overflowing, a higher life that is centered in an interactive relationship with God and with Jesus. Let's render it simply 'an extraordinary life to the full centered in a relationship with God.' (By the way, I don't expect you to be satisfied with this as a full definition of the kingdom of God. I'm not satisfied with it myself. But it's one angle, one dimension, one facet.(p. 37)This is the closest thing to a thesis statement that one is going to find in the book. Well, at least its part of his thesis: if Jesus's secret message is the kingdom of God, then this is his definition of the kingdom. Unfortunately, I don't know how to proceed with his work when his very definition of the thing he is talking about is shoddy.McLaren goes on to explain that we are secret agents of this kingdom. He says that Christians can imagine "seeing everyone as potential agents of the kingdom". Once again, McLaren doesn't clearly define his terms for me. As such, this statement could be taken to mean one of two things:1) that Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Ba'Hai, and other religions are just as legitimate claims to salvation as Christianity and that those who follow these religions are working toward building the kingdom of God.2) that everyone in the world is capable of responding to the call of Christ, repenting, and becoming faithful followers of Jesus.I'd like to think that McLaren believes in option #2. It would seem, however, that he's speaking more to option #1.He then goes on to describe how Christianity is a religion against state violence (chapter 17 "The Peaceable Kingdom"). I think he does a good job of synthesizing some of the work of John Howard Yoder and Stanley Hauerwas here. However, one gets the impression from his sweeping view of Church history that Christianity had nothing to contribute but violence and death from the time of Constantine until modern times (p. 153-154). Surely, the Church contributed more to art, culture, music, social cohesion, etc., and didn't just go around hacking up non-Christians through the Crusades? Of course, the Crusades were horrible and a sin we should repent of and never commit again. However, it isn't our only history.I was loving Chapter 18 ("The Borders of the Kingdom"). McLaren's discussion is of how naive inclusiveness allows people into the church who are divisive. He claims that exclusiveness was against Jesus's Commission, so that's not the alternative. Then, he argues for a third way: "to be truly inclusive, the kingdom must exclude exclusive people (p. 169)." I try to say this in the most charitable way possible: this is nonsense. How do I determine exclusiveness? Apparently, there is a presupposition about what "exclusiveness" means for his reader - or rather he chooses to not define exclusiveness so that his reader can do so (which, to me, is more confusing than it is freeing). Excluding exclusive people would exclude those who are excluding exclusive people because they are also being exclusive. See how this gets confusing? I think the church should define who it excludes: those who teach false doctrine (i.e., Jesus wasn't resurrected, didn't live, the Trinity is false, all will be saved regardless of faith, etc.), those who are religious hypocrites (who judged salvation based on works rather than faith), and those who persist in sin despite frequent counsel (1 Titus 5:20).McLaren avoids - at all junctures in his exegesis - the references Jesus makes to personal sin. These ideas are rather cast as commands toward social justice. The closest he gets to addressing personal sin and regeneration of the heart is in Chapter 17: ...we need to realize that both our enemies and we ourselves have a common enemy: the very internal darkness Jesus' secret message addresses - the dark drives of lust, greed, anger, and hate that thrust us into conflict and war...the secret message of Jesus, by dealing with the root cause of war in this way, does not promise the easiest, fastest, safest and msot convenient method of ending violent conflict - but offers, I believe, the only sure one. (p156)Here, McLaren completely overlooks the need for repentance of sin for salvation and instead demonstrates that it's about improving social conditions. Now, surely, one of the effects of a regenerate heart is love towards ones brothers and sisters and - hopefully - living peaceably with all (Rom 12:18). But is that all that repentance is about? Surely, God saves us from eternal death! And I think it is because we can see ourselves as sinners in need of a God who will forgive us, we are then able to forgive the small errors of our brothers and sisters and live peaceably with them. Because Christ forgave his oppressors who nailed him to a cross, we can forgive others as well.But McLaren seems to side-step salvation altogether. Here's one quote where he actually speaks of salvation: What would it mean if, at this moment, many readers actually began to believe that another world is possible, that Jesus may in fact have been right, that the secret message of the kingdom of God - though radical, though unprecedented in its vision, though requiring immense faith to believe it is possible - may in fact be the only authentically saving message we have? (p. 128) These are his concluding remarks from his Chapter on forgiving enemies. If McLaren believes that our forgiveness of our enemies is the only "authentically saving message" that we have, then he has abandoned the Gospel. I can't think he actually believes what he is saying there. If Christianity is only about forgiving our enemies in this life, then Christ didn't need to be nailed to a cross for our sins and - by allowing it to happen - God's work was unnecessary and disgustingly unjust because he allowed his Son to be tortured and killed for no good reason at all. I can't believe in that God.McLaren concludes his work with this comment on his own view on the book: If this reading of the Gospels is accurate, why didn't scholars see it a hundred or five hundred or eigtheen hundred years ago? Critics might reply that the answer is obvious: this reading isn't rooted in the text of the Gospels at all; it's like a smudge on the glasses of recent scholars , saying more about our contemporary perspetive than about Jesus himself.... I don't believe this criticism is legitimate...[t:]his reading of the biblical text - that at the heart of Jesus's message is this rich and radical idea of the kingdom of God being "at hand" and "coming down" here and now - accounts for far more of the biblical text than any other I've seen. Traditional readings, which assume Jesus has come primarily to solve the timeless problem of original sin so we can go "up" to a timeless heaven "by and by" after we die, do indeed acount for some of Jesus' words and actions, but not with the intensity and resoance of this reading....in my opinion, [this study:] brings the text together and makes sense of its details as no other reading I've ever come across. (pp. 210-211). I don't agree. I think this reading accounts for some of the biblical text but certainly not far more than other readings I've read. I think Augustine's treatise on the Trinity accounts for more. I think Aquinas's Summa accounts for more. I think Calvin's Institutes, Luther's Catechism, St. Basil's treatise on the Holy Spirit, and the works of the Church Fathers and Doctors account for much more of the Bible and stay faithful to it. Innovative doesn't mean correct.Unfortunately, much of McLaren's reading is reductionism gone wild. He feels the need to downplay or silence traditional doctrine because it does not fit with the paradigm he has. I think you can argue many (though certainly not all) of his same conclusions in and through the Biblical text and traditional doctrine while staying orthodox. I don't know why he feels he needs to work outside of that mold but he does.And, in the epilogue, he talks about how fresh and new and original his approach to the Gospel is. Cute. Please pat yourself on the back later.

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LibraryThing member devandecicco

McLaren prefers in many parts of his book to set up this dichotomy: "traditional" Christians (who prefer traditional doctrine and ethics) and "New" Christians (who are engaged in conversations about new ways of understanding the bible, Jesus, and are concerned with social justice).Like arguments

against any straw man, I think McLaren makes some good points and some bad ones. I've read some of his articles and blog posts, and after reading this book, I realized the struggle I have with reading McLaren: I don't know what Christians he is talking about. Certainly, each Christian has a little bit of a legalist in them, each is guilty of not welcoming with love all those who are in need of Christ. There are some who take traditional doctrine to un-Christian and unbiblical ends. Christians are always seduced by non-engagement with the culture (particularly when the culture generally doesn't invite us to engage). Yet, when I read McLaren's works, I don't get the feeling that he has much grace toward Christians (at least, Anglo-American Christians, toward whom his critique is targeted) and that he is reacting against conservative, legalistic, fundamentalist Christian tendencies rather than soberly responding to them. As a result, what comes across is a need to re-invent Christian doctrine to facilitate the kind of Christian he wants to see. That is the goal of this book.So what does the book say? Well, first of all, McLaren posits that we have been missing the real message of the Gospel for 2,000 years (and, guess what?, a guy in Baltimore just figured it out!). He states that the real message of the Gospel is that of the Kingdom. He defines the kingdom as: ...a life that is full and overflowing, a higher life that is centered in an interactive relationship with God and with Jesus. Let's render it simply 'an extraordinary life to the full centered in a relationship with God.' (By the way, I don't expect you to be satisfied with this as a full definition of the kingdom of God. I'm not satisfied with it myself. But it's one angle, one dimension, one facet.(p. 37)This is the closest thing to a thesis statement that one is going to find in the book. Well, at least its part of his thesis: if Jesus's secret message is the kingdom of God, then this is his definition of the kingdom. Unfortunately, I don't know how to proceed with his work when his very definition of the thing he is talking about is shoddy.McLaren goes on to explain that we are secret agents of this kingdom. He says that Christians can imagine "seeing everyone as potential agents of the kingdom". Once again, McLaren doesn't clearly define his terms for me. As such, this statement could be taken to mean one of two things:1) that Muslim, Hindu, Jewish, Ba'Hai, and other religions are just as legitimate claims to salvation as Christianity and that those who follow these religions are working toward building the kingdom of God.2) that everyone in the world is capable of responding to the call of Christ, repenting, and becoming faithful followers of Jesus.I'd like to think that McLaren believes in option #2. It would seem, however, that he's speaking more to option #1.He then goes on to describe how Christianity is a religion against state violence (chapter 17 "The Peaceable Kingdom"). I think he does a good job of synthesizing some of the work of John Howard Yoder and Stanley Hauerwas here. However, one gets the impression from his sweeping view of Church history that Christianity had nothing to contribute but violence and death from the time of Constantine until modern times (p. 153-154). Surely, the Church contributed more to art, culture, music, social cohesion, etc., and didn't just go around hacking up non-Christians through the Crusades? Of course, the Crusades were horrible and a sin we should repent of and never commit again. However, it isn't our only history.I was loving Chapter 18 ("The Borders of the Kingdom"). McLaren's discussion is of how naive inclusiveness allows people into the church who are divisive. He claims that exclusiveness was against Jesus's Commission, so that's not the alternative. Then, he argues for a third way: "to be truly inclusive, the kingdom must exclude exclusive people (p. 169)." I try to say this in the most charitable way possible: this is nonsense. How do I determine exclusiveness? Apparently, there is a presupposition about what "exclusiveness" means for his reader - or rather he chooses to not define exclusiveness so that his reader can do so (which, to me, is more confusing than it is freeing). Excluding exclusive people would exclude those who are excluding exclusive people because they are also being exclusive. See how this gets confusing? I think the church should define who it excludes: those who teach false doctrine (i.e., Jesus wasn't resurrected, didn't live, the Trinity is false, all will be saved regardless of faith, etc.), those who are religious hypocrites (who judged salvation based on works rather than faith), and those who persist in sin despite frequent counsel (1 Titus 5:20).McLaren avoids - at all junctures in his exegesis - the references Jesus makes to personal sin. These ideas are rather cast as commands toward social justice. The closest he gets to addressing personal sin and regeneration of the heart is in Chapter 17: ...we need to realize that both our enemies and we ourselves have a common enemy: the very internal darkness Jesus' secret message addresses - the dark drives of lust, greed, anger, and hate that thrust us into conflict and war...the secret message of Jesus, by dealing with the root cause of war in this way, does not promise the easiest, fastest, safest and msot convenient method of ending violent conflict - but offers, I believe, the only sure one. (p156)Here, McLaren completely overlooks the need for repentance of sin for salvation and instead demonstrates that it's about improving social conditions. Now, surely, one of the effects of a regenerate heart is love towards ones brothers and sisters and - hopefully - living peaceably with all (Rom 12:18). But is that all that repentance is about? Surely, God saves us from eternal death! And I think it is because we can see ourselves as sinners in need of a God who will forgive us, we are then able to forgive the small errors of our brothers and sisters and live peaceably with them. Because Christ forgave his oppressors who nailed him to a cross, we can forgive others as well.But McLaren seems to side-step salvation altogether. Here's one quote where he actually speaks of salvation: What would it mean if, at this moment, many readers actually began to believe that another world is possible, that Jesus may in fact have been right, that the secret message of the kingdom of God - though radical, though unprecedented in its vision, though requiring immense faith to believe it is possible - may in fact be the only authentically saving message we have? (p. 128) These are his concluding remarks from his Chapter on forgiving enemies. If McLaren believes that our forgiveness of our enemies is the only "authentically saving message" that we have, then he has abandoned the Gospel. I can't think he actually believes what he is saying there. If Christianity is only about forgiving our enemies in this life, then Christ didn't need to be nailed to a cross for our sins and - by allowing it to happen - God's work was unnecessary and disgustingly unjust because he allowed his Son to be tortured and killed for no good reason at all. I can't believe in that God.McLaren concludes his work with this comment on his own view on the book: If this reading of the Gospels is accurate, why didn't scholars see it a hundred or five hundred or eigtheen hundred years ago? Critics might reply that the answer is obvious: this reading isn't rooted in the text of the Gospels at all; it's like a smudge on the glasses of recent scholars , saying more about our contemporary perspetive than about Jesus himself.... I don't believe this criticism is legitimate...[t:]his reading of the biblical text - that at the heart of Jesus's message is this rich and radical idea of the kingdom of God being "at hand" and "coming down" here and now - accounts for far more of the biblical text than any other I've seen. Traditional readings, which assume Jesus has come primarily to solve the timeless problem of original sin so we can go "up" to a timeless heaven "by and by" after we die, do indeed acount for some of Jesus' words and actions, but not with the intensity and resoance of this reading....in my opinion, [this study:] brings the text together and makes sense of its details as no other reading I've ever come across. (pp. 210-211). I don't agree. I think this reading accounts for some of the biblical text but certainly not far more than other readings I've read. I think Augustine's treatise on the Trinity accounts for more. I think Aquinas's Summa accounts for more. I think Calvin's Institutes, Luther's Catechism, St. Basil's treatise on the Holy Spirit, and the works of the Church Fathers and Doctors account for much more of the Bible and stay faithful to it. Innovative doesn't mean correct.Unfortunately, much of McLaren's reading is reductionism gone wild. He feels the need to downplay or silence traditional doctrine because it does not fit with the paradigm he has. I think you can argue many (though certainly not all) of his same conclusions in and through the Biblical text and traditional doctrine while staying orthodox. I don't know why he feels he needs to work outside of that mold but he does.And, in the epilogue, he talks about how fresh and new and original his approach to the Gospel is. Cute. Please pat yourself on the back later.

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LibraryThing member gdill

Brian McLaren is one of my favorite Christian authors. I have read three other books written by him. "The Secret Message of Jesus" is the fourth one. This one seems to be quite different than others written by him. In his other works he seems to offer new insight, a new paradigm, even a new

hermeneutic. Whereas, in "The Secret Message of Jesus" he merely expounds upon an existing theme. This theme, which McLaren calls the secret message of Jesus is really no secret. It is the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is here... now in our midst. For, the kingdom of God is within you. McLaren spends a majority of the book describing what this looks like in everyday life. Although I thoroughly agree with McLaren's views, I give this a 3-star rating simply for the fact that there doesn't seem to be any new or fresh insight that is typical of McLaren's works. Nevertheless, it McLaren type fashion, there are many wonderful quotes worth mentioning. Here are a few:

"Believing untrue things, however sincerely, can have it's own unintended consequences."

"This carpenter's son from Galilee challenges every existing political movement to a radical rethinking and dares everyone to imagine and consider his revolutionary alternative."

"So here, "eternal life" means knowing, and knowing means an interactive relationship with the only true God and with Jesus Christ, his messenger."

"Kingdom of God... Let's render it simply an extraordinary life to the full centered in a relationship with God."

"A parable renders its hearers not as experts, not as know-it-alls, not as scholars... but as children."

"We will understand neither signs and wonders in particular nor the idea of the kingdom of God in general if we try to shrink them into our restrictive universe. We have to meet these phenomena in their natural habitat."

"God, the good King, is present, working from the inside. The King is in the kingdom, and the kingdom is among us here and now... for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. The King is present in the mess and chaos of everyday life on earth, bringing healing, sight, perception, liberation, wholeness, wholesomeness, movement, health, fullness, nourishment, sanity, and balance. The incursion of the kingdom of God has begun. We are under a gentle, compassionate assault by a kingdom of peace and healing and forgiveness and life."

"For Jesus' secret message of the kingdom to be realized, it must first expose the evil of all alternative kingdoms or regimes or systems of ideologies. And, for that evil to be exposed, it must be drawn out of the shadows, where it hides in secret."

"When Christianity sees itself more as a belief system or set of rituals for the select few and less as a way of daily life available to all, it loses the "magic" of the kingdom."

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LibraryThing member bmetzler

This is a refreshing take on the kingdom of heaven and what it means for Christians.

LibraryThing member SueinCyprus

The book is about the Kingdom of God as understood in the first century, and also relevant today. today. Those who follow Christ are described by the author as ‘agents’ of the Kingdom, our job being to spread the message of Jesus: of peace, reconciliation, and so on.

The first few chapters set

the scene in the historical and Jewish cultural contexts in which Jesus lived as a man on earth. The second section looks at how the author sees the message, in contrast to how some fundamentalist churches tend to portray it, and the final section looks at what it means in the 21st century.

The writing is good, the author's views clearly expressed, and there's plenty of Biblical backing. The book covers portions of the ‘sermon on the mount’, for instance, and reminds readers about the meanings of the ‘parables of the Kingdom’, from the perspective of the first century audience.

I’m puzzled about the idea of it being a ‘secret’ message. This is broadly how I understood the Christian message growing up in an Anglican Church in the UK; it was explored more fully in RE lessons at my secondary school, and is similar to much of what I have read over the years.

Still, this book gives some excellent and thoughtful writing about the Kingdom of God in its many aspects, and much to think about. If it weren't for the title and insistence that this is a 'new' understanding, I'd have given it five stars.

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The Secret Message of Jesus: Uncovering the Truth That Could Change Everything

by Brian D. McLaren

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