Children Of Dune (The Dune Chronicles, Book 3)

by Frank Herbert

Paperback, 1982

Status

Available

Call number

FIC H Her

Publication

Berkley Books

Pages

408

Description

Fiction. Science Fiction. HTML: Frank Herbert's bestselling science fiction series of all time continues! In this third installment, the sand-blasted world of Arrakis has become green, watered and fertile. Old Paul Atreides, who led the desert Fremen to political and religious domination of the galaxy, is gone. But for the children of Dune, the very blossoming of their land contains the seeds of its own destruction. The altered climate is destroying the giant sandworms, and this in turn is disastrous for the planet's economy. Leto and Ghanima, Paul Atreides's twin children and his heirs, can see possible solutionsâ??but fanatics begin to challenge the rule of the all-powerful Atreides empire, and more than economic disaster threatens...

Collection

Barcode

2281

Language

Original language

English

Original publication date

1976 (Analog SF Jan, Feb, Mar)
1976-04

Physical description

408 p.; 6.8 inches

ISBN

0425054721 / 9780425054727

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User reviews

LibraryThing member bardsfingertips
Feint within feint; plot within plot; backstabbing within backstabbing… These elements make up the driven words of Frank Herbert's Children of Dune. It was very difficult for me to put this book down. Where the first book of Dune was fascinating in plot, structure, and form, Children of Dune read
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like a tabloid and political manifesto joined together as one. I say tabloid because it is filled with political back-stabbing and musings into, "who is Alia sleeping with now?" And, "is Paul, our religious leader/God, really dead?"

The other thing kept happening were plans…lot and lots of plans that everyone had for each other and would be thwarted due to ill-perceived actions and rumors as to an enemy's next move. So much of the political meanderings were saturated with guesswork due to paranoia of how the next betrayal would go.

It was fun! It was fascinating just to "watch" all of these people in great positions of power lose themselves. It was an anarchist's wet dream! Well…the dream lasted until the end when it all goes a certain way, in a manner that was predicted early in the book.

I would love to read more, especially to see what happens to the Empire after Leto II's rein of power. But, alas, we all have heard the rumors: the rest of the Dune books are simply a waste of time.

I suppose I shall see.
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LibraryThing member santhony
This novel continues the trend after the original Dune, toward deeper, philosophical writing that extends beyond my capacity for pleasure reading.
LibraryThing member DarthDeverell
Frank Herbert’s Children of Dune picks up where Dune Messiah left off, with Paul Muad’Dib Atreides having walked into the desert, his sister Alia ruling as regent on Arrakis, and his two children Leto II and Ghanima in her care. Both children have Paul’s prescient abilities while Alia has
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been overcome with the Bene Gesserit genetic memories as a result of her mother Jessica drinking the water of life while pregnant. The personality of her grandfather, the deceased Baron Harkonnen, begins to take control of Alia. Both the Tleilaxu and Spacing Guild conspire with House Corrino, the royal house of the late Emperor Shaddam IV, to gain control of Leto and Ghanima and, through them, the spice trade. In order to evade the plotting of the Tleilaxu, the Spacing Guild, and his own aunt, Leto fakes his death and embraces the fate his father rejected when he wandered into the desert.

The theme of ecology continues to run through the Dune series, with Alia musing, “She tried to focus her mind on what the grass implied. The presence of plentiful dew told her how far the ecological transformation had progressed on Arrakis. The climate of these northern latitudes was growing warmer; atmospheric carbon dioxide was on the increase. She reminded herself how many hectares would be under green plants in the coming year – and it required thirty-seven thousand cubic feet of water to irrigate just one hectare” (pg. 57). Such as focus on water and greenhouse gases makes the 1976 novel appear all the more modern in its focus. In addition to the ecological message, the diversity of religion continues play a key role in the plot, with Alia representing an abomination to the Bene Gesserit and the leader of the new faith that reveres Paul Muad’Dib Atreides as a messiah. At one point, she plans to grant mercy to someone, only for them to quote the Orange Catholic Bible, “Maleficos non patieris vivere” (pg. 58).

Herbert continues his practice of beginning chapters with excerpts from books that exist in the future world of Dune, both adding verisimilitude to the novels and helping shed light on the underlying philosophies and cultural ideas that drive his characters’ actions. One in particular that Herbert credits to “Politics as Repeat Phenomenon: Bene Gesserit Training Manual” stands out for its prescience: “Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class – whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy” (pg. 190). While Herbert continued the Dune series after this novel, it marks the final appearance of most of the original characters and ends in such a way that their stories are largely resolved.
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LibraryThing member aethercowboy
Chidren of Dune, the third book in the Dune series, is one of the weirdest Dune books you'll ever read.

Paul, now frail and blind, who should by all rights be abandoned by the Fremen whom he once led, leads a revolt against his Sister, who, thanks to a spice overdose when she was fetal, has a vivid
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memory of all her ancestors, including Vladimir Harkonnen. This persona takes over, and Alia is no longer in control.

Meanwhile, Paul and Chani's children, Leto II and Ghanima, must try to survive as assassins abound.

And the the weird stuff happens.

If you liked Dune Messiah, you'll like Children of Dune. And if you read and Dune book by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson, then, well, Children of Dune will be a breath of fresh air compared to their stagnant, constant milking of a dead man's empire.
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LibraryThing member brightcopy
Hmm, I'm not sure what to say about this book. Was it "good"? Yes and no. I found it interesting mainly due to the immersion in the world of Dune. But I sometimes found myself bored by the actual plot and some of the writing. Herbert does love to slather on the mystical pseudo-philosophy a bit
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thick. And the plot was about as exciting as The Phantom Menace. It comes nowhere near Dune in terms of readability. The last few chapters were definitely a nice payoff for getting through some of the slower parts. I'd mainly suggest reading this book if you're goal is to read the entire series.
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LibraryThing member chrisblocker
These novels are so ridiculous with their Year 21000 A.D. sword fights, feudal systems, Abrahamic religion, never-ending betrayals, and attempts to create mind-blowing philosophy at every turn. What is Dune? Dune is basically a space soap opera. No one can be trusted. Every move is an expertly
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crafted grasp at power. And it goes on and on. Every revolution lasts only a decade and then there is a new overlord who brings their own revolution that looks like the last and still doesn't move these 220th Century people, who have journeyed through the universe, past misogynist lords and power by might. Stupid.

Yet, I'm still reading them. Something keeps pulling me in. Despite the logical side of my brain screaming at me that this is the most backward series I've ever read, I keep moving forward. In fact, some voice in my head is whispering “give it four stars.” What the? I don't even like these dumb novels. Maybe Herbert was actually a master of the Bene Gesserit Voice. Maybe one of my ancestors was a fan and is manipulating me. Four stars? These novels aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Children of Dune had potential. In fact, the first hundred or so pages of this one were the best I've read from the Dune universe. But it lost its steam and dissolved into another philosophical “feint within a feint within a feint within a feint” (an actual Children of Dune phrase).

Ludicrous. Will I read another? Yes. Will I give Children of Dune four stars? Not even the Voice could work on me.
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LibraryThing member Knicke
Ran out of gas on this for a bit. Will return when I'm feeling Dune-y again.
LibraryThing member Andorion
Utterly bizarre book. The first Dune was excellent, one of the best books I have read, the second was not as good, more verbose, but still ok. This book makes very little sense. The characters are strange. The plot is needlessly convoluted and littered with deus ex machina...the narrative is
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uninteresting, one particular plot point was rather sad and pathetic...it should be 2.5 stars.

This gives me a very bad feeling about the remaining three books
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LibraryThing member endersreads
The Preacher must preach against his own religion. Power must fight the over-extension of itself. Perpetual adaption to the fluidity of reality is essential to survival. My Skin is not my Own.

This is the 3rd book in Frank Herbert's Dune series. I have not been disappointed by one of them. In fact,
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Herbert has only succeeded in unifying and substantiating his creation in the expansion of it.

For me to set forth upon an enumerative voyage into the nuances of only this single book of Dune would be exhausting. The proverbs and quotes at the beginning of each chapter are simply brilliant. I was shocked at several occurrences within the story. First, the manner of manifestation of Alia's Abomination. The Golden Path of Leto II blew me away. Shai Hulud! I was also shocked at the death of 3 characters. Yet, as the Ghola Duncan Idaho showed us, we cannot be certain of the finality of death.

It was a bit disturbing to witness how instantaneous was the transformation that power brought upon Leto II. From a 9 year old boy, lost and alone in the desert, facing certain death, to a god. As Leto reveals to Farad'n Corrino, he has not escaped Abomination himself.

We can never escape the path that our ancestors have set us upon. We simply maneuver within it, searching for the Golden Way through.

As did Jessica, so I found Farad'n Corrino a likable character, much unlike his grandfather Shaddam IV. His interests in history are honorable and his fate as Royal Scribe was quite fitting—though how long will he be caged, I know not. I noted with curiosity that his father was related to Count Hasimir Fenring.

Very much looking forward to God Emperor of Dune. Arrakis awaits.
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LibraryThing member goldnyght
This book is my favorite out of the series for the fact that it seems to step a bit outside of Herbert's usual zone. Ghanima and Leto II are different than his other characters, even Alia, and the plot line is not as predictable as a result.

Herbert is a master of teasing you just enough to keep you
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interested in the plot without giving it away and then throwing a surprise in at the end.
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LibraryThing member Radaghast
A lot of your favorite characters begin to unravel in this installment. Herbert completes the original trilogy brilliantly.
LibraryThing member TadAD
Unfortunately, Children of Dune has none of the imagination, writing or vision of Dune. I was unsympathetic to all of the characters, especially the Atreides. Furthermore, it rewrites the series' history in a very unsatisfactory way.
LibraryThing member kaulsu
The third in what was to be a trilogy. Excellent! I've read it too many times to any longer be surprised, but I do remember back to my first read and how the story line took me by surprise. If you have not yet read it, you are in for a treat!

Again, Herbert surprised me with his understanding of
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Eastern Religious thought, specifically in this volume, Advaita Vedanta.
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LibraryThing member DavidBurrows
I gave up reading Dune books after this one. A shame after such a classic as Dune.
LibraryThing member Waianuhea
I like it and I don't. I think because I liked Paul so much that, with him gone, I just wasn't interested anymore.
LibraryThing member LisaMaria_C
This is the third novel in the Dune series, so you should at least read Dune and Dune Messiah before tackling this one--the question is if having done so you should continue on at all.

I loved the first book, Dune and rated it a full five stars. After the epic sweep of the first book, the immediate
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sequel might seem underwhelming. Even just looking at both books, the first looks very slender compared to the first book's doorstopper thickness. The second book is far more intimate really in its themes, and in some ways can feel like just a bridge to this novel, so I took it down a notch in rating it. When we come to this third book, we once again find a novel epic in length and scope, intertwining themes of politics, religion and philosophy in an exotic galactic empire and desert planet and it's skillfully written. But for me where it fails is in its characterizations, and after this novel I just didn't care anymore about this series and no longer wished to continue.

A friend of mine, a graduate student in literature likes to tease me about my shallow wish to care about characters in books, and points out characters can still be unlikeable yet interesting, complex and lend you insight about the human condition. I admit it--that's not enough for me--I want to root for characters in a book. At least one character. I did in the first two volumes. I loved the young Paul and his mother Jessica in the first book--I found them easily relatable and I loved Alia in the second book. I don't like what is made of their characters in the third book--even admitting the development in their characters have their logic.

Moreover, I can't stand the characters that are the titular focus of this book, the children of Paul and Chani, the twin girl and boy Ghanima and Leto. Both (like Alia) are "pre-born." That is from birth they are adult in consciousness and intelligence with a knowledge of the lives of their ancestors. By the time we catch up to them in this book they're nine-years-old and seriously creepy. It's Leto who carries the book and loses what little humanity he has within it, and with that went my interest in the series.

Because this is well-written and does have thought-provoking ideas, I can't make myself mark this down to the half star that would reflect my loathing for it. But loathe it I did.
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LibraryThing member danconsiglio
I know I'm not supposed to say things like this, but these books are good like Tolkien. I could get very hyperbolic about anything Dune written by the elder Frank Herbert.

The third book in the Dune series manages to maintain excitement and suspense w/out a single real action sequence. The conflict
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resides almost solely in the struggle of ideas and definitions of Time and reality in the heads of various schemers and pretenders during the extended aftermath of Muad'Dib's departure. I am a sucker for books that use narrative structures that match their themes and conflicts. Herbert is a beast at this!

Book three has all of the compelling characters of the original and scales back on the fatalism that permeated the first sequel.

While I've heard that the later books in the series become gradually less good, Herbert can fall a long way and still be better than most. I'm going to keep reading!
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LibraryThing member wispywillow
I love that the author is brave enough to make protagonists that are detestable, as was the case in the previous book--for me, at least! This book eases some of that harsh judgment on the character. Either way, I find this series and its amazing world-building to be fascinating.
LibraryThing member swampygirl
It took me a bit longer to get into this book than the two previous. Once I got to know the twins better however, I quickly found myself completely engrosed once more.

The original Dune is of course a really tough book to match. And while I'm not sure this story does hold up to the original, that
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is not to say this book is not good. It does feel a bit more pretentious though and some of the "smartness" of the series is getting old. The end really made it for me though, so four stars. I'm already looking forward to reading it again!
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LibraryThing member fuzzi
Interesting premise, but not well executed. I've no interest in rereading this or "Dune Messiah", but would reread the original "Dune" anytime.
LibraryThing member LauraDragonWench
Apart from the storyline, I liked the book. I was compelled to keep reading it and was reluctant to put it down until I finally reached the end. Having said that, I'm still quite befuddled as to what all was going on. I understand bits of it, especially the part where Leto succumbs fully to the
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mythos/fate/whatever-you-call-it that his father tried to run from and his aunt, Alia, was too scared to face, a course which robs him completely of his humanity. But to what end? Who is the enemy and who is the victor? What exactly is going on? I'm sure Herbert explained these things in the book, somewhere amidst the heavy wordplay he uses to explain the workings of the Dune universe, but those explanations escape me. Perhaps my perplexed psyche will be up to another reading to search for those answers...in a few more years.
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LibraryThing member DirtPriest
Things take off back to the level of Dune. As the title implies, this is the tale of the children of Chani and Muad'Dib, who are what is called 'pre-born'. They are born with the memories of ancestors going back millennia, which obviously gives them a different outlook on life and the universe. A
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short summary just doesn't do things justice. After polishing off the first third or so of God Emperor of Dune, Children of Dune is just a mere set-up novel to the later layers of story. Again, I cannot stress the profundity and overall amazing concept of the Dune saga. It is dry and almost boring in tone, like C-Span, but the content more than makes up for it, unlike C-Span.
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LibraryThing member Zare
One thing is for sure - as Dune saga progresses you get less and less actual action and more philosophical discussions.

This book follows the journey of Paul Atreid's son Leto. He has to decide whether to take drastic action his father feared so much and bring enlightenment to the humanity or falter
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and let entire human civilization crumble.

As always there are some interesting points on religion, state, inner fatalism of every individual, way masses think and act, civilization and how to steer people to the greater good for all.

I find it funny that author cannot make up his mind when it comes to religion - he mixes a lot of philosophies and is rather preachy when it comes to that, but is very specific when he talks about bad sides of religion - I can only guess who he took to portray the baddies (taking into account organizational structure he portrays). I guess it is popular approach to that subject. Maybe it would be better if he didn't make any relations to the existing religions at all and truly created something of its own.

Otherwise interesting and highly recommended book but be wary - although there is action in here and plots and sub-plots, great deal of book is dedicated to philosophical discussion (less than in sequels to this book but nevertheless) so make sure you are in a mood for a rather long read.
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LibraryThing member Nialle
I wonder whether the uprooted generations now arising in the United States will ever be able to see Leto and Ghanima as other than neurologically diseased. I wonder whether anyone younger than my generation will remember what it is actually like to have a plethora of ancestors in mind - none
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actively trying to take over one's brain, none complete with all memories - but to have a string of family stories that shape one's identity.

In other news, this book was also FRAUGHT WITH FRAUGHTNESS until finally, around page 300, it sprouted a plot. Okay, maybe people like pure character pieces. In which case, the book would have benefited strongly from some hint near the beginning that Jessica wasn't being just a jealous, ageing beauty, that Alia wasn't just an overstressed administrator, that Duncan had feelings, that Stilgar's murderous thoughts were only part of his essential conservatism and not a total character makeover like all of the characters seemed to be getting for the first 100 pages, and/or that Farad'n could and would grow up to be Preacher to Leto's Emperor, striking a necessary balance that Paul only realized he needed after he stopped being the latter and became the former. Also, Leto at the end of the book is far too low on the Arthur C. Clarke Scale of Alienness; he needed to be _way_ weirder than just an aphorism-spouting single-leap-building-bounder.
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LibraryThing member DinadansFriend
We move to the second generation of the royal family of Dune, and I'm a little tired of the universe set up by Mr. Herbert. The Earlier books had much stronger characterisation, and the social system, a take-off on the system used by the Ottoman Empire on Earth, was interesting to explore.
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Unfortunately the ruts are now showing.
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Rating

½ (2949 ratings; 3.7)

Awards

Hugo Award (Nominee — Novel — 1977)
Locus Award (Nominee — Science Fiction Novel — 1977)
Washington State Book Award (Winner — 1977)

Call number

FIC H Her
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