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Indianapolis, Ind. ; Cambridge : Hackett Pub., c1997.
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Gathers translations of Plato's works and includes guidance on approaching their reading and study.
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LibraryThing member LisaMaria_C
Plato and Aristotle between them not only laid the foundations for Western philosophy, many would argue they divided it neatly between them: Plato the one who with his "Allegory of the Cave" gave birth to the idea of an existence beyond our senses, giving a rational gloss to mysticism. Aristotle,
Unfortunately, much of Aristotle's works were lost, and what remains I've seen described as not his polished material, but "lecture notes." In the case of Plato, though, what we have are largely "dialogues." These are like little plays, with characters arguing back and forth. Even if, as the "Socratic method" many a law student has endured suggests, much of it often consists of Socrates asking questions and others answering things such as "It would seem so, Socrates."
Not in the Symposium though, where various characters (including the comic playwright Aristophanes) meet for a dinner party where all contribute to a conversation on the meaning of love--and I think even those derisive or fearful of something labeled "philosophy" would find themselves engaged--even charmed. Plato's Republic though, is likely the most famous of his works--even perhaps the most controversial. It has so many famous aspects--the question of whether one could be virtuous if you owned an invisibility ring and could cloak your crimes, and especially the "Allegory of the Cave," perhaps the most famous metaphor in all of philosophy. The Republic has taken heat for being the paradigm of the totalitarian state, as it posits an ideal state modeled after Sparta, where children are taken away from their parents to be raised communally and all aspects of the lives of citizens controlled.
Karl Popper has a fascinating critique of Plato along these lines in the first volume of his The Open Society. But he notes a contradiction looking at Plato's works as a whole. The Gorgias, for instance, which I studied in college, reads as a great defense of freedom of speech and expression. It's also not consistent with the three dialogues that tell of Socrates trial and death, The Apology, The Crito and The Phaedo. In the first Socrates defends himself as a gadfly--as someone that stings the lazy horse of the state awake--and who should be rewarded, not swatted. It's a spirited defense of the role of the dissenter. Popper attributes the inconsistencies to the differences between Socrates and Plato, as well as a change in Plato over time. In the earlier dialogues, particularly the more biographical ones about Socrates' trial and death, we get the genuine article. But more and more, Popper would argue, Plato put words into Socrates mouth that didn't accord with his democratic and libertarian beliefs, particularly as Plato grew more aristocratic and authoritarian. It is interesting in that regard, that in what is purported to be Plato's last dialogue, The Laws, Socrates disappears as a character altogether.
In any case, I'd strongly recommend becoming familiar with Plato--he's just as important to Western Civilization as The Bible, whether you're sympathetic to his arguments or not. (Indeed, much Christian theology is a amalgam of the New Testament and Greek philosophy.) At least try The Republic, The Symposium, and The Apology. And truly, reading the dialogues isn't arduous as is true of many philosophical tracts. The ideas can sometimes be difficult and sophisticated, but it's often a surprisingly lively read.
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the father of logic and a scientist, with a this-world orientation. There's a famous fresco by Raphael, "The School of Athens," where that's illustrated, where the figure meant to be Plato points to the sky--the heavens--while Aristotle points to the ground--to this Earth. If you're going to ask me which school I belong to--at least as so categorized, Aristotle wins, hands down. Yet if you ask me which philosopher I found a joy to read, which a slog--well, Plato wins. Unfortunately, much of Aristotle's works were lost, and what remains I've seen described as not his polished material, but "lecture notes." In the case of Plato, though, what we have are largely "dialogues." These are like little plays, with characters arguing back and forth. Even if, as the "Socratic method" many a law student has endured suggests, much of it often consists of Socrates asking questions and others answering things such as "It would seem so, Socrates."
Not in the Symposium though, where various characters (including the comic playwright Aristophanes) meet for a dinner party where all contribute to a conversation on the meaning of love--and I think even those derisive or fearful of something labeled "philosophy" would find themselves engaged--even charmed. Plato's Republic though, is likely the most famous of his works--even perhaps the most controversial. It has so many famous aspects--the question of whether one could be virtuous if you owned an invisibility ring and could cloak your crimes, and especially the "Allegory of the Cave," perhaps the most famous metaphor in all of philosophy. The Republic has taken heat for being the paradigm of the totalitarian state, as it posits an ideal state modeled after Sparta, where children are taken away from their parents to be raised communally and all aspects of the lives of citizens controlled.
Karl Popper has a fascinating critique of Plato along these lines in the first volume of his The Open Society. But he notes a contradiction looking at Plato's works as a whole. The Gorgias, for instance, which I studied in college, reads as a great defense of freedom of speech and expression. It's also not consistent with the three dialogues that tell of Socrates trial and death, The Apology, The Crito and The Phaedo. In the first Socrates defends himself as a gadfly--as someone that stings the lazy horse of the state awake--and who should be rewarded, not swatted. It's a spirited defense of the role of the dissenter. Popper attributes the inconsistencies to the differences between Socrates and Plato, as well as a change in Plato over time. In the earlier dialogues, particularly the more biographical ones about Socrates' trial and death, we get the genuine article. But more and more, Popper would argue, Plato put words into Socrates mouth that didn't accord with his democratic and libertarian beliefs, particularly as Plato grew more aristocratic and authoritarian. It is interesting in that regard, that in what is purported to be Plato's last dialogue, The Laws, Socrates disappears as a character altogether.
In any case, I'd strongly recommend becoming familiar with Plato--he's just as important to Western Civilization as The Bible, whether you're sympathetic to his arguments or not. (Indeed, much Christian theology is a amalgam of the New Testament and Greek philosophy.) At least try The Republic, The Symposium, and The Apology. And truly, reading the dialogues isn't arduous as is true of many philosophical tracts. The ideas can sometimes be difficult and sophisticated, but it's often a surprisingly lively read.
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LibraryThing member Lukerik
If you're looking to read Plato in English then this is the book for you. It is the only edition to include everything passed down under his name from antiquity: the entire canon of Thrasyllus, one or two other pieces like Definitions and the epigrams from the Greek Anthology. All other editions
If I have one quibble it's that not all the translations are as good as they could be. Not that they appear inaccurate, but take the translation of Republic. Some twenty-odd years ago I read Robin Waterfield's translation. It was that book that got me into Plato, philosophy and Greek literature in general. There's a zing and pzazz to the writing that all the best translations share and which must be there in Plato's Greek. The offering in this volume is a plodding affair. If that had been my introduction to Plato I think I would have been put off for life. Also, the tone in some of the other translations is just a little bit off. But most of the translations are fine and some are very good.
It's also a well made book, printed on beautiful paper. I spilt Ribena on my copy.
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make editorial decisions about what is and is not by Plato. Obviously, not everything in here is by Plato. In some cases we know the names of the people who actually wrote certain works, but in the case of something like Clitophon I see no reason why it couldn't be a genuine work. Either way, the spurious pieces give you a wider idea of the philosophy of the Greeks. Some are very good. Others, if nothing else, make clear just how difficult the dialogue form was and just how good Plato was with it.If I have one quibble it's that not all the translations are as good as they could be. Not that they appear inaccurate, but take the translation of Republic. Some twenty-odd years ago I read Robin Waterfield's translation. It was that book that got me into Plato, philosophy and Greek literature in general. There's a zing and pzazz to the writing that all the best translations share and which must be there in Plato's Greek. The offering in this volume is a plodding affair. If that had been my introduction to Plato I think I would have been put off for life. Also, the tone in some of the other translations is just a little bit off. But most of the translations are fine and some are very good.
It's also a well made book, printed on beautiful paper. I spilt Ribena on my copy.
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LibraryThing member ElTomaso
Sorry, I know this is required reading for all people of substance, but it is too dry to be interesting.
LibraryThing member Hanuman2
Someone I've read a lot of and was important to my intellectual history due to being one of the first meaty thinkers I read.
Subjects
Language
Original language
Greek (Ancient)
Original publication date
1959
Physical description
xxx, 1808 p.; 24 cm
Pages
xxx; 1808
ISBN
0872203492 / 9780872203495
Local notes
Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo, trans. G. M. A. Grube
Cratylus, trans. C. D. C. Reeve
Theaetetus, trans. M. J. Levett, rev. M. Burnyeat
Sophist, trans. N. White
Statesman, trans. C. J. Rowe
Parmenides, trans. M. L. Gill and P. Ryan
Philebus, trans. D. Frede
Symposium, Phaedrus, trans. A. Nehamas and P. Woodruff
Alcibiades, trans. D. S. Hutchinson
Second Alcibiades, trans. A. Kenny
Hipparchus, trans. N. Smith
Rival Lovers, trans. J. Mitscherling
Theages, trans. N. D. Smith
Charmides, Laches, trans. R. K. Sprague
Lysis, trans. S. Lombardo
Euthydemus, trans. R. K. Sprague
Protagoras, trans. S. Lombardo and K. Bell
Gorgias, trans. D. J. Zeyl
Meno, trans. G. M. A. Grube
Greater Hippias, trans. P. Woodruff
Lesser Hippias, trans. N. J. Smith
Ion, trans. P. Woodruff
Menexenus, trans. P. Ryan
Clitophon, trans. F. J. Gonzalez
Republic, trans. G. M. A. Grube, rev. C. D. C. Reeve
Timaeus, trans. D. J. Zeyl
Critias, trans. D. Clay
Minos, trans. M. Schofield
Laws, trans. T. Saunders
Epinomis, trans. R. D. McKirahan, Jr
Letters, trans. G. R. Morrow
Definitions, trans. D. S. Hutchinson
On Justice, trans. A. S. Becker
On Virtue, trans. M. Reuter
Demodocus, trans. J. Barnes
Sisyphus, trans. D. Gallop
Halcyon, trans. B. Inwood
Eryxias, trans. M. Joyal
Axiochus, trans. J. P. Hershbell
Epigrams, trans. J. M. Edmonds, rev. J. M. Cooper
Cratylus, trans. C. D. C. Reeve
Theaetetus, trans. M. J. Levett, rev. M. Burnyeat
Sophist, trans. N. White
Statesman, trans. C. J. Rowe
Parmenides, trans. M. L. Gill and P. Ryan
Philebus, trans. D. Frede
Symposium, Phaedrus, trans. A. Nehamas and P. Woodruff
Alcibiades, trans. D. S. Hutchinson
Second Alcibiades, trans. A. Kenny
Hipparchus, trans. N. Smith
Rival Lovers, trans. J. Mitscherling
Theages, trans. N. D. Smith
Charmides, Laches, trans. R. K. Sprague
Lysis, trans. S. Lombardo
Euthydemus, trans. R. K. Sprague
Protagoras, trans. S. Lombardo and K. Bell
Gorgias, trans. D. J. Zeyl
Meno, trans. G. M. A. Grube
Greater Hippias, trans. P. Woodruff
Lesser Hippias, trans. N. J. Smith
Ion, trans. P. Woodruff
Menexenus, trans. P. Ryan
Clitophon, trans. F. J. Gonzalez
Republic, trans. G. M. A. Grube, rev. C. D. C. Reeve
Timaeus, trans. D. J. Zeyl
Critias, trans. D. Clay
Minos, trans. M. Schofield
Laws, trans. T. Saunders
Epinomis, trans. R. D. McKirahan, Jr
Letters, trans. G. R. Morrow
Definitions, trans. D. S. Hutchinson
On Justice, trans. A. S. Becker
On Virtue, trans. M. Reuter
Demodocus, trans. J. Barnes
Sisyphus, trans. D. Gallop
Halcyon, trans. B. Inwood
Eryxias, trans. M. Joyal
Axiochus, trans. J. P. Hershbell
Epigrams, trans. J. M. Edmonds, rev. J. M. Cooper