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USA, Wisconsin, Black River Falls, den psykiatriske institution og hospice "Stella Maris", 1972
Mærkelig bog. Det er en slags dialog mellem en psykiater dr Cohen og Alicia (som er Bobby's søster, som nævnt i "Passageren"). Bogen hænger på den måde sammen med "Passageren". Hvert af de syv
Jeg kan godt lide at Alicia gamer stanford-binet IQ-testen for at se om hun kan score præcis 100 på den. Jeg kan ikke lide fornemmelsen af at Alicia og Cohen er to sokkedyr, hvis dialog bruges til at udstille at forfatteren har læst Arthur Schopenhauer, Immanuel Kant, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Willard Van Orman Quine, John Horton Conway, Kurt Gödel, David Hilbert, John von Neumann, Gottlob Frege og så videre og så videre.
Mærkelig bog. Det er en slags dialog mellem en psykiater dr Cohen og Alicia (som er Bobby's søster, som nævnt i "Passageren"). Bogen hænger på den måde sammen med "Passageren". Hvert af de syv
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kapitler er en terapi-session. Alicia er i 1972 20 år gammel og professionel matematiker. Hun har opgivet matematik (topologi og topos-teori) fordi hun er blevet distraheret (af topologi og topos-teori). Hun har arbejdet sammen med Grothendieck (som er 44 på dette tidspunkt) på et institut oprettet til ham og en Dieudonne af en russer Motchane. (Hun nævner også Bourbaki, Riemann, Euklid, Hilbert, Poincaré, Dedekind, Cantor). Hun lader sig indskrive på den åbne afdeling og har taget en pose pengesedler med. Over 40000 dollars. Hun har sammen med sin bror arvet en hoben penge i form af kontanter og guldmønter, men uden at have de store behov. Hun har købt en Amati-violin for 230.000 dollars og er god til at spille violin, men ikke koncertviolinist. Hun er taget ind på Stella Maris for at slippe for at skulle tage stilling til om man skal slukke for respiratoren, der holder hendes bror Bob i live efter en ulykke i Italien. Hendes far arbejdede på Manhattanprojektet som fysiker. Hun er født den 25 december 1951. Hendes mor arbejdede ved en calutron for Manhattanprojektet, dvs berigning af Uran vha acceleratorer. Lawrence opfandt cyklotronen og kom af og til forbi og skruede op for strømmen til calutronerne og gik igen. Fem minutter efter stod det hele i flammer. Flere terapi-sessioner. Hun fortæller om planer for at drukne sig i Lake Tahoe, men den er for dyb og for kold. Og om at være forelsket i Bobby. På en meget legemlig og fysisk måde, men Bobby ville ikke vide af det, så det blev aldrig til noget. Den sidste session ender med at Alicia beder dr Cohen om at holde hende i hånden "fordi det er det folk gør, når de venter på at noget slutter".Jeg kan godt lide at Alicia gamer stanford-binet IQ-testen for at se om hun kan score præcis 100 på den. Jeg kan ikke lide fornemmelsen af at Alicia og Cohen er to sokkedyr, hvis dialog bruges til at udstille at forfatteren har læst Arthur Schopenhauer, Immanuel Kant, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Willard Van Orman Quine, John Horton Conway, Kurt Gödel, David Hilbert, John von Neumann, Gottlob Frege og så videre og så videre.
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[Kbh.] : Gyldendal, 2023
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Fiction. Literature. HTML:The best-selling, Pulitzer Prize�??winning author of The Road returns with the second volume of The Passenger series: Stella Maris is an intimate portrait of grief and longing, as a young woman in a psychiatric facility seeks to understand her own existence. 1972, BLACK RIVER FALLS, WISCONSIN: Alicia Western, twenty years old, with forty thousand dollars in a plastic bag, admits herself to the hospital. A doctoral candidate in mathematics at the University of Chicago, Alicia has been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, and she does not want to talk about her brother, Bobby. Instead, she contemplates the nature of madness, the human insistence on one common experience of the world; she recalls a childhood where, by the age of seven, her own grandmother feared for her; she surveys the intersection of physics and philosophy; and she introduces her cohorts, her chimeras, the hallucinations that only she can see. All the while, she grieves for Bobby, not quite dead, not quite hers. Told entirely through the transcripts of Alicia�??s psychiatric sessions, Stella Maris is a searching, rigorous, intellectually challenging coda to The Passenger, a philosophical inquiry that questions our notions of God, truth, and exis… (more)
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De Cormac. De McCarthy. Daar is hij. Daar is hij dan weer. En De Passagier staat nog warm en rokend in mijn kast, en De Passagier laat me nog hijgend, en De Passagier leeft nog – en nu al komt hij af met Stella Maris...lees verder >
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LibraryThing member fuzzy_patters
I didn't know what to think after The Passenger, but Stella Maris is beautiful. If you've read McCarthy's screenplay, "The Sunset Limited," it is reminiscent of that. The entire book is dialogue between two characters, and it clarifies so much of The Passenger. It offers deep inquiry into where our
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existence ends, the nature of reality, and if there is something beyond the material world, and McCarthy does so without pretending to know the answers to any of those questions. It's beautiful. Show Less
LibraryThing member thewanderingjew
Stella Maris, Cormac McCarthy, author; Julia Whelan, Edoardo Ballerini, narrators
Stella Maris is a psychiatric hospital in Wisconsin. It is 1972, and Alicia Western, a 20 year old young woman, a veritable genius in Mathematics, signs herself into the hospital, for the third time. She carries
Her brother Bobby is dying in a hospital in Italy, the result of an automobile accident. She ran away from there, without telling anyone. She did not want to be pressured and forced into making the decision to detach him from life support. There is a concern for her safety, since she speaks of suicide. Since age 12, she has had what I will refer to as “imaginary friends”, though she believes that they are very real, and she engages with them. One is “the kid” who has no hands. Rather he has flippers. She has other visitors as well, and they seem to serve her needs. They seem to come and go at times over which she has no control. She has a condition called synesthesia. It is a condition in which one sense triggers an automatic reaction in another, like when a word might be seen as a color or a particular taste might accompany it. She refuses medication because it alters “her” reality which she knows is different than the reality of the doctor who treats her. She also believes they are not able to help her aside from giving her medication that doesn’t help, but boosts the profits of the pharmaceutical industry instead. She does not want meds or a constant minder.
Her parents were both involved with the development of the bomb at Los Alamos. They are both deceased now. Now her brother is “leaving her” as well, a brother for whom she has what is considered an unhealthy love, and she dreams of an incestuous affair with him. He has refused her attempt to make him reciprocate her forbidden feelings and emotions.
Not even 20 years old, she was in the doctoral program at the University of Chicago, and shortly before she was to complete it, she abandoned it and ran away. She seemed to make a habit of running away from responsibility and completing an effort. She finds it hard to deal with the loss in life that we all must face as people enter and exit “this mortal coil”, according to some greater plan. She is often sad, though she denies it. She seems to have never found either a true place in the world or an acceptable one. She seemed to sense the endings in life, and that was when her sadness and loneliness seemed most obvious. She was unfulfilled, largely because of her own efforts, but she was trying to get well or she would not have gone to the hospital.
I found her, in her madness, to seem cogent, as her explanations often seemed to make so much sense, even when I did not agree with what she said, or didn’t fully understand all of it. Some of the explanations in math and science were simply over my head, but her approach and obvious understanding of the subject matter, made me feel that she might have a rational point that I missed. I positively enjoyed the conversations between the patient and the doctor, which sometimes bordered on banter. Sometimes, her responses evoked a deeper response from the doctor than he was able to elicit from the patient. She understood that she suffered from some form of mental illness; she had no faith in the doctors who were treating her because many weren’t even sure of how to really diagnose her. When she was rational, she was aware of the fact that she wasn’t like other people, but then, she believed they weren’t like he, so how could they understand her. I began to wonder who was sane and who was not! No one could get into her mind; no one could touch her feelings or truly understand her pain. She could not fit in and understood that all things ended. It was that very thought, perhaps that lack of control, that was so difficult for her to manage and was what drove her to the depths of sadness, that she sometimes reached.
The two audio narrators conducted a conversation as doctor and patient that was as good as a living performance, though it appeared only in my mind. Although this is he second of a two-book series, I found it fine as a stand alone.
Stella Maris is a psychiatric hospital in Wisconsin. It is 1972, and Alicia Western, a 20 year old young woman, a veritable genius in Mathematics, signs herself into the hospital, for the third time. She carries
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nothing with her but a bag filled with money. She meets Dr. Cohen, who engages her in conversation several times a week, as he treats her illness and draws her out. She has been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic by some, but confounds others. Her brother Bobby is dying in a hospital in Italy, the result of an automobile accident. She ran away from there, without telling anyone. She did not want to be pressured and forced into making the decision to detach him from life support. There is a concern for her safety, since she speaks of suicide. Since age 12, she has had what I will refer to as “imaginary friends”, though she believes that they are very real, and she engages with them. One is “the kid” who has no hands. Rather he has flippers. She has other visitors as well, and they seem to serve her needs. They seem to come and go at times over which she has no control. She has a condition called synesthesia. It is a condition in which one sense triggers an automatic reaction in another, like when a word might be seen as a color or a particular taste might accompany it. She refuses medication because it alters “her” reality which she knows is different than the reality of the doctor who treats her. She also believes they are not able to help her aside from giving her medication that doesn’t help, but boosts the profits of the pharmaceutical industry instead. She does not want meds or a constant minder.
Her parents were both involved with the development of the bomb at Los Alamos. They are both deceased now. Now her brother is “leaving her” as well, a brother for whom she has what is considered an unhealthy love, and she dreams of an incestuous affair with him. He has refused her attempt to make him reciprocate her forbidden feelings and emotions.
Not even 20 years old, she was in the doctoral program at the University of Chicago, and shortly before she was to complete it, she abandoned it and ran away. She seemed to make a habit of running away from responsibility and completing an effort. She finds it hard to deal with the loss in life that we all must face as people enter and exit “this mortal coil”, according to some greater plan. She is often sad, though she denies it. She seems to have never found either a true place in the world or an acceptable one. She seemed to sense the endings in life, and that was when her sadness and loneliness seemed most obvious. She was unfulfilled, largely because of her own efforts, but she was trying to get well or she would not have gone to the hospital.
I found her, in her madness, to seem cogent, as her explanations often seemed to make so much sense, even when I did not agree with what she said, or didn’t fully understand all of it. Some of the explanations in math and science were simply over my head, but her approach and obvious understanding of the subject matter, made me feel that she might have a rational point that I missed. I positively enjoyed the conversations between the patient and the doctor, which sometimes bordered on banter. Sometimes, her responses evoked a deeper response from the doctor than he was able to elicit from the patient. She understood that she suffered from some form of mental illness; she had no faith in the doctors who were treating her because many weren’t even sure of how to really diagnose her. When she was rational, she was aware of the fact that she wasn’t like other people, but then, she believed they weren’t like he, so how could they understand her. I began to wonder who was sane and who was not! No one could get into her mind; no one could touch her feelings or truly understand her pain. She could not fit in and understood that all things ended. It was that very thought, perhaps that lack of control, that was so difficult for her to manage and was what drove her to the depths of sadness, that she sometimes reached.
The two audio narrators conducted a conversation as doctor and patient that was as good as a living performance, though it appeared only in my mind. Although this is he second of a two-book series, I found it fine as a stand alone.
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LibraryThing member jwhenderson
BLACK RIVER FALLS, WISCONSIN - 1972 Twenty-year-old Alicia Western checks herself into the hospital with $40,000 in a plastic bag. Alicia is a paranoid schizophrenia patient who is a doctorate candidate in mathematics at the University of Chicago. She does not want to talk about her brother Bobby
Stella Maris is a conceptual novel that is told entirely through the transcripts of Alicia's psychiatric sessions. It examines subjects such as the nature of consciousness, gnosticism, literary allusions, and the eschaton while remaining utterly grounded in reality. It is likely to make you question whether your life is being written by fate. It is a probing, meticulous, and intellectually demanding conclusion to The Passenger, a philosophical investigation that challenges our beliefs about God, reality, and existence.
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because of her illness. Instead, she ponders the nature of madness and how people insist on having a single experience of the world. She also remembers a time when, at the age of seven, her own grandmother was worried about her. She also examines the nexus of physics and philosophy and introduces her cohorts, her chimeras, and the hallucinations that only she can see. She continues to be sad for Bobby, who isn't quite dead and isn't quite hers. Stella Maris is a conceptual novel that is told entirely through the transcripts of Alicia's psychiatric sessions. It examines subjects such as the nature of consciousness, gnosticism, literary allusions, and the eschaton while remaining utterly grounded in reality. It is likely to make you question whether your life is being written by fate. It is a probing, meticulous, and intellectually demanding conclusion to The Passenger, a philosophical investigation that challenges our beliefs about God, reality, and existence.
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LibraryThing member kazzer2u
Brilliant !
LibraryThing member A.Godhelm
The coda to The Passenger reads more like a sequel to The Sunset Limited screenplay.
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Awards
NPR: Books We Love (2022)
Language
Original language
English
Original publication date
2022-12-06
Physical description
220 p.; 22.6 cm
ISBN
9788702378535
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Omslag: Jan van Zomeren
Omslagsversionering: Christine Clemmensen
Omslaget viser et kig ud på havet gennem en søkikkert
Indskannet omslag - N650U - 150 dpi
Oversat fra amerikansk "Stella Maris" af Nanna Lund
Side 24: Conway
Side 33: Computerprogrammet Eliza
Side 42: Los Alamos og Oppenheimer, Einstein, Dirac og von Neumann.
Side 45: Synæstesi og musik
Side 46: Berkeley: A New Theory of Vision
Side 50: Jeg tror du hører efter. Jeg er bare ikke så sikker på hvad du faktisk hører.
Side 53: Feynman siger at man kan se alt det underlige ved kvarker allerede i tospalte-eksperimentet.
Side 53: Eksperimentet er gennemført et utal af gange. Det viser at en enkelt partikel kan gå gennem to åbninger på samme tid.
Side 54: Otto Stern og Walther Gerlach lavede et eksperiment i 1922, der viste en kvanteeffekt i magnetfelter.
Side 54: Noumenale og fænomenale.
Side 61: Hvis en psykose bare var synapserne der fejltændte, hvorfor får man så ikke bare sne på skærmen? Men det gør man ikke. Man får en nøje sammensat og temmelig distinkt verden som aldrig har fandtes før.
Side 65: Jøder udgør to procent af befolkningen, men firs procent af matematikere. Hvis der bare var en lille smule større afstand mellem procenttallene, kunne vi tale om en særlig art.
Side 66: En Amati-violin
Side 75: Kurt Gödel skrev ting ned i Gabelsberger stenografi systemet.
Side 79: Cantor, Gauss, Riemann, Euler, Hilbert, Poincaré, Noether, Hypatia, Klein, Minkowski, Turing, von Neumann. Cauchy, Lie, Dedekind, Brouwer, Boole, Peano, Church, Hamilton, Laplace, Lagrange.
Side 81: Paul Adrien Maurice Dirac.
Side 82: Maxwell.
Side 84; Det fungerer vel som et hvilken som helst andet kollaps. Jo længere man kan udsætte det, jo værre bliver det når det sker. Den næste store krig kommer først når alle dem der husker den forrige, er døde.
Side 84: Jeg er enig med Platon i at det kun er de døde, der har set den sidste krig.
Side 115: Langlands
Side 117: Witten
Side 117: Det er de særeste ting der viser sig brugbare. Folk som er gode til at bruge en kugleramme, er også ret gode til at regne ved hjælp af en imaginær en af slagsen.
Side 123: Alle ved at selvmordet altid er en mulighed. Der er ikke så mange der vælger den. Nietzsche siger at det kan hjælpe én gennem tunge nætter. Bare tanken om det. Men det egner sig kun til de få. Folk er ret knyttede til deres liv.
Side 127: Husserl i Freiburg var professor i matematik. Mentor for Martin Heidegger.
Side 131: En uopfyldt længsel har en eftervirkning som dens opfyldelse kun kan drømme om.
Side 131: Nogle af dem var nervøse for at den ville virke, andre for at den ikke ville virke.
Side 133: Når der engang ikke længere er mindste spor tilbage af vores eksistens, hvem vil så opfatte det som en tragedie?
Side 153: Om hvad Betti-tallene egentlig betød. Homologi-grupperne.
Side 153: Uendelig udvidelse indebærer bare mere af det samme, mens der tilsyneladende følger nogle andre problemer med uendelig sammentrækning. Sådan lyder i hver fald den klassiske opfattelse. Det er Zenons territorie.
Side 153: Russell og Wittgenstein.
Side 154: David Hawkins og Spengler: Vesterlandets Undergang, kapitel 2: Om tallenes mening.
Side 156: Gud kan ikke engang lægge to og to sammen. Han har ikke andet at arbejde med end nul og ét. Resten står vi for. Uanset hvad Kronecker siger.
Side 157: Da T. D. Lee arbejdede på ikke-Abeliansk gaugeteori, stødte han på noget matematik der kaldes fiberbundt-teorien.
Side 158: Grothendieck, Deligne og Oscar Zariski.
Side 176: David Bohm.
Side 196: Så jeg skulle altså fortælle dig noget jeg ikke synes du skal vide, for at skjule noget jeg virkelig ikke synes du skal vide.
Side 199: Litium. Depakote. Seroquel. Risperdal.
Side 202: Vi er det eneste pattedyr der ikke kan synke og frembringe lyde på samme tid.
Side 214: Bertrand Russell prøvede hele tiden at komme i bukserne på Whiteheads unge kone,
Omslagsversionering: Christine Clemmensen
Omslaget viser et kig ud på havet gennem en søkikkert
Indskannet omslag - N650U - 150 dpi
Oversat fra amerikansk "Stella Maris" af Nanna Lund
Side 24: Conway
Side 33: Computerprogrammet Eliza
Side 42: Los Alamos og Oppenheimer, Einstein, Dirac og von Neumann.
Side 45: Synæstesi og musik
Side 46: Berkeley: A New Theory of Vision
Side 50: Jeg tror du hører efter. Jeg er bare ikke så sikker på hvad du faktisk hører.
Side 53: Feynman siger at man kan se alt det underlige ved kvarker allerede i tospalte-eksperimentet.
Side 53: Eksperimentet er gennemført et utal af gange. Det viser at en enkelt partikel kan gå gennem to åbninger på samme tid.
Side 54: Otto Stern og Walther Gerlach lavede et eksperiment i 1922, der viste en kvanteeffekt i magnetfelter.
Side 54: Noumenale og fænomenale.
Side 61: Hvis en psykose bare var synapserne der fejltændte, hvorfor får man så ikke bare sne på skærmen? Men det gør man ikke. Man får en nøje sammensat og temmelig distinkt verden som aldrig har fandtes før.
Side 65: Jøder udgør to procent af befolkningen, men firs procent af matematikere. Hvis der bare var en lille smule større afstand mellem procenttallene, kunne vi tale om en særlig art.
Side 66: En Amati-violin
Side 75: Kurt Gödel skrev ting ned i Gabelsberger stenografi systemet.
Side 79: Cantor, Gauss, Riemann, Euler, Hilbert, Poincaré, Noether, Hypatia, Klein, Minkowski, Turing, von Neumann. Cauchy, Lie, Dedekind, Brouwer, Boole, Peano, Church, Hamilton, Laplace, Lagrange.
Side 81: Paul Adrien Maurice Dirac.
Side 82: Maxwell.
Side 84; Det fungerer vel som et hvilken som helst andet kollaps. Jo længere man kan udsætte det, jo værre bliver det når det sker. Den næste store krig kommer først når alle dem der husker den forrige, er døde.
Side 84: Jeg er enig med Platon i at det kun er de døde, der har set den sidste krig.
Side 115: Langlands
Side 117: Witten
Side 117: Det er de særeste ting der viser sig brugbare. Folk som er gode til at bruge en kugleramme, er også ret gode til at regne ved hjælp af en imaginær en af slagsen.
Side 123: Alle ved at selvmordet altid er en mulighed. Der er ikke så mange der vælger den. Nietzsche siger at det kan hjælpe én gennem tunge nætter. Bare tanken om det. Men det egner sig kun til de få. Folk er ret knyttede til deres liv.
Side 127: Husserl i Freiburg var professor i matematik. Mentor for Martin Heidegger.
Side 131: En uopfyldt længsel har en eftervirkning som dens opfyldelse kun kan drømme om.
Side 131: Nogle af dem var nervøse for at den ville virke, andre for at den ikke ville virke.
Side 133: Når der engang ikke længere er mindste spor tilbage af vores eksistens, hvem vil så opfatte det som en tragedie?
Side 153: Om hvad Betti-tallene egentlig betød. Homologi-grupperne.
Side 153: Uendelig udvidelse indebærer bare mere af det samme, mens der tilsyneladende følger nogle andre problemer med uendelig sammentrækning. Sådan lyder i hver fald den klassiske opfattelse. Det er Zenons territorie.
Side 153: Russell og Wittgenstein.
Side 154: David Hawkins og Spengler: Vesterlandets Undergang, kapitel 2: Om tallenes mening.
Side 156: Gud kan ikke engang lægge to og to sammen. Han har ikke andet at arbejde med end nul og ét. Resten står vi for. Uanset hvad Kronecker siger.
Side 157: Da T. D. Lee arbejdede på ikke-Abeliansk gaugeteori, stødte han på noget matematik der kaldes fiberbundt-teorien.
Side 158: Grothendieck, Deligne og Oscar Zariski.
Side 176: David Bohm.
Side 196: Så jeg skulle altså fortælle dig noget jeg ikke synes du skal vide, for at skjule noget jeg virkelig ikke synes du skal vide.
Side 199: Litium. Depakote. Seroquel. Risperdal.
Side 202: Vi er det eneste pattedyr der ikke kan synke og frembringe lyde på samme tid.
Side 214: Bertrand Russell prøvede hele tiden at komme i bukserne på Whiteheads unge kone,
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