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"May you live in interesting times" is the worst thing one can wish on a citizen of Discworld -- especially on the distinctly unmagical sorcerer Rincewind, who has had far too much perilous excitement in his life. But when a request for a "Great Wizzard" arrives in Ankh-Morpork via carrier albatross from the faraway Counterweight Continent, it's he who's sent as emissary. Chaos threatens to follow the impending demise of the Agatean Empire's current ruler. And, for some incomprehensible reason, someone believes Rincewind will have a mythic role in the war and wholesale bloodletting that will surely ensue. (Carnage is pretty much a given, since Cohen the Barbarian and his extremely elderly Silver Horde are busily formulating their own plan for looting, pillaging, and, er, looking wistfully at girls.) However, Rincewind firmly believes there are too many heroes already in the world, yet only one Rincewind. And he owes it to the world to keep that one alive for as long as possible.… (more)
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I enjoyed the first half to two-thirds of the book quite a bit - the Silver Horde (particularly Mr Saveloy, who is attempting to civilize them) and the adventures of the Luggage were my favorite parts (there weren't nearly enough scenes with the Luggage, however). I also especially enjoyed the opening scenes at Unseen University, when they receive the message from the Agatean Empire and the things they do in order to fulfill the request.
However, the last sixty or seventy pages simply didn't live up to the title. It is here that the war takes place and the Silver Horde attempts to take over the Forbidden City, but it couldn't keep my interest. I skimmed most of the pages, impatient for the resolution. Really, I would have been happy if most of the ending were summed up in a couple paragraphs, or even left off altogether.
Another thing about the book that I didn't care for is the subject of the humor. There are actually a lot of targets, but a big one is East Asian culture - mostly Chinese, but some Japanese thrown in. I felt pretty uncomfortable with many of the jokes, because it reminded me very strongly of the depictions of Asian people/culture from the first part of the 20th century. Most of those depictions were rooted in racism and a belief that Asian people/cultures were less human or less civilized than Western people/cultures, and Pratchett doesn't seem to hold that view or promote it, but I nonetheless found that Interesting Times mimicked it too well, and was almost indistinguishable. On the other hand, the characters in the book are in no way presented as less than human - the Agatean characters receive the same treatment as all the others in Discworld, who are all pretty equally ripe for jokes of one kind of another. The Agatean characters provide opportunities for humor because they're characters, not because they're Agatean. I suppose the same could be said about the Agatean culture jokes, that the same thing happens with Ankh-Morpork or Lancre or Music or Opera or whatever theme a particular Discworld book has, but as I said, the similarity with the completely earnest racist crap from the early 20th century makes it difficult for me to feel comfortable with it.
All that said, Interesting Times was at least entertaining (until the last part) and I did enjoy it more than several other Discworld books. But it's not one I'll read again, I don't think.
If you’re going to read Discworld, go read Small Gods, Guards! Guards!, The Wee Free Men,
Interesting Times starts off with Ankh-Morpork receiving a message from from the Agatean Empire demanding that the “Great Wizzard” be sent to them. The Unseen University faculty rustle up Rincewind and teleport him over to the Agatean Empire, where he finds that Twoflower’s essay “What I Did On My Holidays” has started a revolution. The revolutionaries believe that Rincewind is a great wizard who will use his powers to help them overthrow the empire.
There’s just all sorts of problems here. The Agatean Empire is a mash up of a bunch of different East Asian cultures and stereotypes, mainly China and Japan – terracotta warriors and sumo wrestlers for instance. But what’s really cringe worthy and makes this book so unconformable to read is the characterization (or lack of it) of the Agatean characters. It plays heavily into the subservient stereotypes. Then there’s the villain, Lord Hong, who’s obsessed with Ankh-Morepork and trying to imitate it. Honestly, this book just reads as racist.
Oh, it’s worth remembering here that Rincewind and Cohen and his hoard (they show up shortly in) are the major POV characters. And that they’re all white.
I don’t think that was Pratchett’s intention – he was likely attempting to use stereotypes for parody purposes. But really, he just shouldn’t have been writing this sort of thing about another culture. If you take the favorable view and say that Pratchett was trying to satirize the West’s view of Asia… that’s still something better done by an Asian. This just came off really badly.
In terms of actual construction, Interesting Times was probably better crafted than Color of Magic or The Light Fantastic. But it was a hell of a lot more uncomfortable to read. Don’t pick this up unless you’re a completionist or really love Rincewind.
Originally posted on The Illustrated Page.
They say:
May you live in interesting times.
The Agatean empire is sliding into chaos. The old Emperor is dying. Five noble families, the Hongs, the Sungs, the Tangs, the McSweeneys (very old established family) and the Fangs, gather their armies around the capital city of Hunghung
Interesting Times is the 17th Discworld novel and the 5th in the Rincewind sub-series. It is a direct sequel to the first two Discworld novels and, while it can be read out of order, I recommend having read those two first in order to have a good background on the major characters. I ended up enjoying this one a lot more than I expected. While there are no truly bad Discworld books, the Rincewind sub-series have been hit or miss for me. This one was a hit.
Many familiar faces make appearances. Rincewind is his cowardly self, trying to run away from pretty much everything. Cohen the Barbarian has renamed himself Ghengis Cohen. He and his Silver Horde are all set to pillage and plunder while Mr. Saveloy tries to show them a more civilized way of conquering. The Luggage is still there, though to a lesser extent. Twoflowers is back and he has daughters! Even Dibbler has his own Agatean counterpart, Disembowl-Myself-Honorably Dibblah.
The Counterweight Continent is the Discworld mashup of ancient China and Japan. Pratchett has fun playing with a lot of stereotypes, such as all Asians know martial arts, the great wall keeping everyone in, ninja and samurai, ancestral ghosts, sumo wrestlers, the caste society. This is also its downside as it makes the Agatean characters feel very one dimensional.
While it lacks the introspective depth of other Discworld novels, this installment is down right funny. It's culturally insensitive, idiotic, full of puns and there are parts that shouldn't be funny at all and yet they are. I would find myself chuckling out loud and just have to read off a line or two to my husband.
All good fun - plenty of historical cliches to parody mixed in with a spot of chaos theory and a stab at linguistics - he gives the Agateans a tonal language in which many phrases, meaning very different things, are identical and must be understood by the tone in which they are spoken - this gives him a number of running jokes for example the same words, with differing intonation, mean :'Arrrgh!..... 'Highly enjoyable'.... or 'Your wife is a big hippo'
Rincewind is barely surprised to learn that his old pal Twoflower has inadvertently managed to cause a revolution at
This book starts with Lord Vetinari not receiving a message, not carried by Albatross, definitely not from the Counterweight Continent, and certainly not asking him to send the
Tyranny, stagnation, revolution, rumour and barbarian heroes make for a very good read indeed.
This get
There’s one among their group who’s trying to civilise them for their current task, which makes for some downright hilarious scenes. All of the scenes in fact. Even the more serious ones weren’t all that serious. Being set in their ways doesn’t even explain it. Though fixation comes to mind.
And there’s Rincewind. Poor, poor Rincewind. A natural coward who’s luckier than most and often forced into situations that risk his head. Even fleeing, he’s entertaining. Far better than he was in Colour of Magic or Sourcerer and a little reminiscent of him in Eric.
After Twoflower (the disc's first tourist) returned home, he wrote a small tract (which sounds remarkably like the first day back at school) entitled "What I did on my holidays". As usual where he's concerned it has taken a life of its own and a strange
Rincewind gets mixed up in this when the revolutionaries (with some prompting from the un named source) request that Ankh Morpork send the Great Wizzard by tea time.
A strange concatenation of circumstances mean that the earth rises up and he does, indeed, save the day... again!
Rincewind, as anyone could have predicted, gets into trouble almost immediately. It seems the Counterweight Continent is in the middle of a Somewhat Aggressive Movement Slightly Against the Government. Or more plainly, a revolution. But one with lots of ideals and very little practical experience. All Rincewind has had experience in is in avoiding trouble - and he can tell this movement is heading for A LOT of trouble.
And then there's the Silver Horde, Cohen the Barbarian's elderly group with their own ideas about storming the palace. They have a new member, Teach, who's trying to teach them to be civilized. It's not easy.
I really, really enjoyed this one. Don't read it first - you need to read at least Eric first, but really reading - or even watching - The Colour of Magic is very helpful. Twoflower the tourist is back, and so is the Luggage. DEATH naturally has a part, since this IS a war we're talking about.
I loved Rincewind's efforts at helping the Horde win the war. His campaign to convince everyone that there is certainly NOT a host of 2,300,009 ghosts waiting to devour anyone who gets in their way is absolutely brilliant. And we get to meet the long lost cousin of Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler too. Exactly the antidote I needed to all the serious stuff I've been reading lately. 5 stars
This is usual Pratchett humorous fare. Solidly entertaining and funny, but not his best.
"Interesting Times" isn't the best Disc World book but it's by no means the worst either.
This book is
Interesting Times is an interesting book and Pratchett does a nice job of taking non-pc, yet playful, jabs at other cultures, while still taking a few at his own. I don't know if this is the last Rincewind book I'll read -- I suspect it is -- but the character couldn't have gone out on a higher note. Certainly recommended.